Seek Truth Without Fear
"Marijuana is less toxic than many of the drugs that physicians prescribe every day.”
~ Joycelyn Elders, MD / Pediatrician, Public Health Administrator
Council Report January 22, 2018
by Dixie A.
At the start of the meeting, citizen
stood at her seat and declared a "point of order" regarding the public
hearing on the agenda not being duly noticed in advance in the Town's
newspaper. Mayor Mike Schaub said, It was [noticed]. "It was on the Town Hall
readerboard, it was in the News
Tribune, it was at the Post Office, and it was in Facebook, so we did
post in as many sources as we could." Resnick said, "But not the
Dispatch?" To which Schaub replied, "The Dispatch, it was just a
timing on the Dispatch to be able to get it in for the, and that's why
we had to get it in the News Tribune."
The school district has asked about possible
safety enhancement through impact fees, which she is researching. The mayor will be hosting his first informational meeting
over coffee at the Cottage Bakery on Monday, January 29, similar to what the
chiefs are doing. And there will be a parade of students and staff
Friday, January 26 at 9:30 a.m. from Eatonville Elementary through
downtown, to celebrate the school's progress, "going from the bottom
five percent in the state's schools to the top five percent" last
His committee also discussed the group of business
owners who are talking about possible "traffic flow" change proposals,
and how the sign code may impact that. The committee changed its
meeting schedule to the third Thursday at 5 p.m. at the Visitor Center.
Schaub thanked the Eatonville Police staff as well as that of the City of Algona, where Councilmember James Schrimpsher works as a sergeant. Those officers filled in where needed in the county during the memorial. The Pierce County Regional Council (PCRC) General Assembly is February 15 at 5:30 at the Bates Campus on 19th Street in Tacoma, that all council members are invited to attend. Councilmembers
Schrimpsher and Dunn are representative and alternate, respectively, for the PCRC regular monthly meetings, where transportation funding and other issues are discussed.
Public Hearing on Cannabis Ban
Ordinance 2018-1, to prohibit marijuana businesses in town, was next on the agenda. This was its second reading, and included a public hearing. Mayor Schaub then opened the public hearing:
Excerpt from a proponent letter to council for cannabis business. See entire letter at bottom of this report.
"Just Because One Person Doesn’t use Pot, Doesn’t Give That
Person the Right to Stand in the Way of People that Do Use or Want
Louise Van Eaton Spoke First
"Cannabis in Not a Recreational
Drug, and Those who Want to use it Medically Should Petition the
Federal Drug Administration to do Research..."
Louise Van Eaton spoke first. She
shared information published by the Washington State
Department of Health, describing
how, "marijuana is still a federally-illegal, Schedule 1 controlled
substance, and violations of
federal law are taken seriously by medical boards and employers. Its
detection in one's system through random testing or for-cause,
toxicology testing can result in termination of employment, and this
has been upheld by the Supreme Court of Colorado (Coates v. Dish
"I have concluded
that having a cannabis store in our community would make our citizens
feel that marijuana use is harmless,
when our State of Washington Department of Health reports it is
harmful. Cannabis is not a recreational drug, and those who want to
use it medically should petition the Federal Drug Administration to do
research on this drug to discover its use as a legally-prescribed drug
for appropriate patients."
"We voted to Legalize Marijuana
Karelina Resnick then came to the microphone and spoke, saying, "Regretfully, not having seen any public notice, I have a very sketchy comment to read to you. We voted to legalize marijuana in Washington State for good reasons,.
To ensure medical
marijuana is available; provide much-needed tax relief, offer an
alternative to addictive opioid drugs, and hopefully decrease the addiction; provide
local access to marijuana for the sick, elderly and handicapped, and
others unable to drive long distances. And ensure untainted,
government-supervised marijuana; eliminate or minimally decrease black
market drugs; offer a safer, healthier alternative for recreational
use, for both users and the community, than alcohol.
kind of what a stoner looks like here in Eatonville. I'm a grandma,
and grandmas pose very little threat to the Eatonville Police
Roni Johnson: "Hi, my name is Roni Johnson, and, if you guys haven't figured it out by now, I'm kind of what a stoner looks like here in Eatonville. I'm a grandma, and grandmas pose very little threat to the Eatonville Police Department. But yet, I am one of the ones who would benefit the most from a store in this town. We now have alternatives to mainstream medicine and Big Pharma.
We know uppers are bad, downers are bad, pain
pills are bad, opioids are really bad. And if you have glasses
enough to read the little tiny print on all the paperwork that comes
with all those drugs, you can tell that the side effects are even
worse than some of the problems you had in the first place.
And if we can't get
it here in Eatonville, at some point I may not even be able to drive
around. What would I do if I had a
prescription? I can't get my prescription, for somebody else to pick
it up for me, because it is so controlled by the state, that it's
impossible to do. You have to go there yourself to pick it up.
And, what I found out was, stores are pretty well surrounded by security. At several of them, there's cameras from every angle. You walk in the door, you show your ID, and he's got a screen that shows you walking in the door. I mean, if there was something going on at night, they would know exactly what was going on at night. So anyway, you obviously can tell that I am for a store here in town. And thank you for your time."
"...From a Business Standpoint, I Truly Believe That Eatonville Does
Carry Kind of a Negative Connotation About Trying to Promote New
Steve Putney: "I'm a resident for 18 years here in Eatonville, and I just want to thank you for allowing us to come and talk today. I'm not a real confident person coming up and speaking in front of people, but after I read the ad in the Dispatch here, the story, and it started off by saying, 'Council on the verge of banning marijuana.' And I know that there had been some previous meetings regarding this, but it seemed kind of disingenuous, I guess, to me that were getting an opportunity to speak today, but it sounds like your mind is already made up for the most part, by the council.
"And I struggle with
that, thinking that I know people came and spoke, and there was some
opposition. Some things I
guess make very good points - Dr. Van Eaton, of course - you can't
argue with points like that.
don't necessarily promote marijuana use; I'm not a user myself. I know
people that are on both sides of that coin. There are some people that certainly struggle with
it. But I think it has been a benefit for a lot of folks.
"I took a straw poll amongst the people I work with and it seems like, I don't hear the negativity about passing this, you know, being a bad idea for Eatonville. I know there was a comment made about not following our federal law and the state is going against that, and my thought was, we could probably all still be colonists of England if we chose that there was never a better way to go around and maybe make some new laws of our own. And I do want to thank you all very much."
"I Oppose Establishing the Legal
Sale of Recreational Marijuana in Eatonville, Based on the
Constitution and the Rule of Law..."
"Many of the things I'm going to say, I have said before, but I've
added some things. I oppose establishing
the legal sale of recreational marijuana in Eatonville, based on the
constitution and the rule
of law. In the early stages of our constitutional republic, the
federal government established a national bank with a branch in
Maryland. Maryland, being a state, decided they did not like the
national bank idea, and planned to place a tax on that bank, hoping
that that would kill the federal bank that had been established. In
1819, the Supreme Court ruled, in the case of McCulloch vs. Maryland,
and said that federal law usurps state law. And
"And I'm using the police chief as the state, and the council as the federal government. We have an established 25-mile-an-hour speed limit. If someone decides, in an authority position, that that person wishes to go against the council's direction, something has to be done. Someone is wrong. And I think in this situation, based on my perspective, the police chief would be wrong, because the council has established that law. And it would be up to him to decide that he is going to support that law.
"In Article II, Section
3 of the Constitution, it says that he, the President, shall take care
that the laws be faithfully
executed or carried out. The oath of the president says, I will, to
the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution
of the United States. The prior president said that he was not going
to enforce marijuana laws, which led to several states passing laws
allowing the sale of recreational marijuana. Article 6, Clause II of
the Constitution provides that the Constitution, federal laws, and all
treaties, constitute the supreme law of the land. It provides that
state courts are bound by the supreme law of the land. When I was
teaching it was normally just referred to as the supreme law of the
"I Think we Need to
Bring Revenue into our Town...If You Drive Up and Down the Main Road,
Erica Conn: (There was a brief problem with the
microphone at the beginning of her comments.)
Sixty percent of that
goes towards public health programs, substance abuse efforts and
centers; 211 million dollars will be used on our state operating
budget. And there are a lot of our representatives who were against
it, who are now for it. And I think that we need to take a look at why
they are for it now.
If you disagree with smoking weed, that's
fine. You don't have to smoke it, but there are people who need
it, like that lady right there [Gestures toward another audience member.].
And, like, a whole bunch of other people...
I'm a bartender,
so I could tell you how many people drive under the influence every
night. It's not good, but it happens; I'm sure you - officer - know
that. So to say that we shouldn't have weed in the town because it's
going to make people drive differently, or act differently, we could
say the same thing about alcohol. To somebody's point that we'd have
children using marijuana, we could say the same thing about
cigarettes. How many kids are standing outside the Shell station
asking for people to go in and buy them cigarettes or liquor? We just
have to say no.
"I'm tired. Its people
who are putting their values on somebody else. You can choose not to
like it, but other people
probably need it. And I don't know if you guys have already made up
your mind. I don't know if it's going to come to a vote, for us. Is
it going to come to a vote for the whole-- for everybody?
"I Would Like to See That [Cannabis Store] Here Just for the
Business. I Know the Black Market has Increased..."
David Craig: "There's a few businesses
that are still in town, but I agree. Like [former Eatonville
Mayor] Cliff Murphy would
say, 'The rising tide floats all boats.' I would like to see that here
just for the business. I know the black market has increased out here,
when that one at the [former] cop shop closed, yeah, it drove the
black market up. Some people still go into town, to Spanaway, Tacoma,
wherever, but that has happened out here.
And I don't like to see that. So, I am proud to be an American. I duly
love the Constitution, by the people. This state did vote for it. More
than half the states are approved medical.
"Someone mentioned the liquor store. I never went in it. But one of the first things I ever toured in Eatonville when I moved here, if you've ever been to the speakeasy, at the old mill, where you slide the bookcase down, and you go to the old speakeasy. Where during prohibition, you know, the town leaders were sneaking down there to drink their whiskey. And that's just been kind of Eatonville's history, which I kind of admire.
"Even the local AA
group here. People outside of this area know the AA group as being
just a little different.
Eatonville is a little different; we don't follow all the rules by
submitting all that we're supposed to. We're known as a spiritual
group out here. I don't know why; its a good group. If you don't want
marijuana, you don't have to go get it. None of that I was going to
say; I had other things I was going to say.
That's true, there
was truth, but there was a whole bigger picture of the crime that's
happening in Covington, that has nothing to do with the pot. And the
$93,000, that I think you said was coming into the town, isn't enough
to pay for a cop, but in comparison, that's a lot more than most of
the small businesses in Covington. So it's more than a hundred grand,
that that town has seen from two little businesses that sell weed.
According to a Man who Works at a Marijuana Shop in Buckely,
They have Absolutely “No Problems with the Police, Crime has Decreased
Significantly, They Brought in Enough Money to Hire a Full-Time
Officer and Funded a Traffic Light...”
Dixie Walter: "David [Craig] said $93,000 went to Covington, but I think when that was being discussed, I think you meant Buckley. (Schrimpsher concurred.) And you had a thing here, the estimate through September 27th, $5,066, and then for the fiscal year, but it says marijuana enforcement $93,000 (Schrimpsher confirmed that was for Buckley.) I'm kind of confused on that.
I happened to run into
a woman last week who lives in Buckley, so I asked if there was a
marijuana store in Buckley. She said, 'Yeah, there's a couple.' She said,
'They are so well run. They're so well organized. They're better run
than most of the businesses that I know.' And she explained some stuff
They brought in
enough money to hire a full-time officer. They somehow funded a
traffic light. There's all these good things. He's saying they
have so much security that nobody can get in there. In fact, in one
place, Mr. Bills, you go in a door and they check you, and then you
have to exit from another place. I guess that's so people can't sneak
"Crime has decreased significantly, because the black market is not the main supplier any more. Great relationship with the cops. They said that the shop owner, who is not the person I talked to, is really big on charity, and helping the community. Buckley is about 5,000 people.
The man I talked to also brought up the medical part.
Because his mother has epilepsy...And he said she has been using medical marijuana for ten
years, and has not had a convulsion since then. No seizures in ten
years with medical marijuana.
"On the Medical Aspect of Marijuana, I Can Say First Hand, as a
Caregiver, it Does Help with Seizures."
Len Throop: "I was here at the meeting two months ago. On
the medical aspect of marijuana, I can say first
hand, as a caregiver,
it does help with seizures. That's all I'll say about that. But I'm
more curious about how
this is proceeding. As I recall, two months ago, council member
Schrimpsher said, with an advisory vote. Is that vote going to happen,
before you make a decision? I would like to propose that it be a
binding vote by the
"I would be really interested in the percentage of medical sales
compared to recreational sales... I'm not against medical marijuana at
Joe Hagen: "I've
been a citizen/resident of Eatonville for about 12 years now. And when
I first moved here in Eatonville, I
actually was convinced to move out here by some friend of ours, with
the Pierce County Sheriff, in
fact. And he, they, kept talking about how great it was out here,
peaceful, no crime, great place to raise our kids. At that time we had
three kids. We have five now. And schools are great. Although?
homeschooled (inaudible). But it was a great place to move. And it
took us awhile, but we finally did?. We didn't lock our doors. We kept
our front door open, our car doors. It was a great place.
"But I've had some
personal experiences, and I know a lot of people that have had a lot
of bad experiences with
marijuana. And based on some of the anger and the personal attacks and
everything from people that are for marijuana (inaudible), that's the
type of people that we're going to attract. I would be really
interested in the percentage of medical sales compared to recreational
sales. And I'm not against medical marijuana at all, period. If
it was only a store that sold medical marijuana, for medical use, like
is done at a pharmacy, I'd be all for it, 100 percent. And that's all
I have to say. I appreciate your time. Thank you."
Regular Meeting Resumes Council Discussion Regarding Cannabis Business in Town...
"It is Very Difficult to be One of Five People Making Decisions for
Several Thousand, and Not be Given any Input on These Matters, Until
Councilmember Jennie Hannah spoke first,
reading a prepared statement: "As I've stated before my vote will almost always be an economic or
fiscal one. My vote may not always represent my own opinion or
personal beliefs, but hopefully that of the citizens.
"I recognize the medicinal qualities of marijuana, and I
have no judgment on recreational use. And as I've said before, I would
prefer this issue be put to a vote of the people, and believe we have
been guaranteed an advisory
vote this year. I appreciate the citizens that have taken the time to
have their voices heard at the various meetings we've had on this
subject. It is very difficult to be one of five people making
decisions for several thousand, and not be given any input on these
matters, until now.
State Voted to Legalize Marijuana, Regardless of Federal Law."
Bob Thomas: "Since you people have taken
the opportunity to come out here tonight and provide us with your input,
for those of you that haven't participated in previous meetings, I
think it's only fair that I
provide you with my thoughts on the matter. For anybody that you find
that's for marijuana, you'll find somebody against. That being said,
I'm one of the people that concurs with the constitutional viewpoint.
Marijuana is illegal
from a federal viewpoint. And for whatever reason, the state voted to
legalize marijuana, regardless of federal law.
Job as Council Members is to do the Research, Inform Ourselves, Make
the Best Decision that we Can for Our town, Safety-Wise, Economically,
Councilmember Bob Walter: "I have always voted against the, I think, seven moratoriums. We passed one in 2013 and had six extensions to it. Regarding the constitutionality, I think just a brief review of what's been going on over the last 40 years, 50 years, eliminates, or leaves out, a huge portion of the evolution of the perspectives about the marijuana plant, the cannabis plant, in this country.
"Including, really, as I mentioned at the last
meeting, some statements - racist statements by the original
director of the Federal Bureau of
Narcotics, part of the U.S. Treasury Division. And the propaganda, the
false claims, all of those things need to also be thrown into the mix
when we're talking about constitutionality and states' rights. And I'm
proud to be a Washington citizen, and proud that Washington was one of
the very first states that moved to regulate even recreational
"I'm talking about people from Ashford,
Elbe, Morton, Mineral, Packwood, Randle, and every point south. So
this week, I was concerned that I
didn't see the
public notice in the Dispatch about this public hearing that we just
had. So I called the Municipal Research Services Center. And I talked
to Jill Dvorkin. And she said, 'I'll get back to you.'
"To amend the zoning code, the Planning
Commission must first hold a public hearing, with notice of such hearing in at least one publication in
the local newspaper at least ten days prior to that hearing. So, I
would recommend advising your fellow council members that this action
should not proceed without adhering to the process set forth in your
"Not specifically, but it's allowed by the
state. It's similar to other things, and there's a section in
our zoning code
that mentions - it's Section 5, e., - that mentions 'other uses,'
other retail uses, similar to those already specifically mentioned. So
that's my first point that I want to make tonight - and I'll hand out
copies to council and staff of her email to me (He does so.) - is that
we're going against our own code. I think we would be in big trouble,
potentially, if we pass this second reading tonight.
"Well, let's look at greater Seattle. There's
about three dozen recreational-- three dozen marijuana retail
shops in the greater
Seattle area. Property values in Seattle are rising faster than
anywhere else in the country right now. So I don't really see too much
weight in that aspect of it.
"This is a study on toxicology reports on
drivers in fatal crashes, and the incidence of alcohol, marijuana,
marijuana, residual THC, from maybe a week or two ago. They're
amassing a lot of data. You portrayed this as an example of how DUIs,
especially among youth, have increased because of I-502. The
summary of this report says, 'While this report explains that trend,
and the characteristics of these drivers, this information is not
sufficient to determine if marijuana directly contributed to the cause
of these crashes.'
"So what happens, if out of 900 votes it shows a dozen votes in favor of legalization? Then what would you recommend the council do? Or, what if it was a dozen votes, six votes, leaning toward prohibition, toward a permanent ban.
"At least, our job as council members is to do the research, inform ourselves, make the best decision that we can for our town, safety-wise, economically, business development, whatever. And so I'm just wondering what you recommend council should do in the case of a very close advisory ballot."
"The Oath of Office that I Took Also Includes the Stipulation that I
will Support the Laws and Constitution of the State of Washington."
Councilmember Bill Dunn: "So, I believe that this council's role has been pretty well defined by a fellow council member, what they say in their online council member profile, that a council's role is, 'to provide for a dynamic, vibrant community, while respecting individual citizens' rights.'
"And to me, that's what this issue is about -
individual rights. We can sit here and tie knots all day long
about the nuances of this debate. But when the rubber hits the road,
the question facing this council is not whether or not marijuana is
addictive. It's not whether or not the incidence of DUI involving
marijuana has increased. It's not a matter of how much revenue, if
any, the town will receive as a result of this business (inaudible).
'Many of us in this room choose, despite the potential negative consequences, to eat red meat, to consume caffeine, to consume alcohol, to use tobacco, to consume sugar. Many of us in this room choose to own firearms.
"Now these are all examples of decisions that
we, as the individual, have the right to make, despite the
negative consequences. And they're all examples that prove the mere
existence of a potential negative consequence isn't grounds enough to
prohibit somebody from doing what they're legally obligated to do.
"And this issue is certainly an example
of when my personal beliefs, and the position I take as a member of
this council, are in direct conflict. I've sat here many times and
said, that my position on this issue is not an advocation for
marijuana businesses. Truth be told, I wouldn't want to see a
marijuana business in this town any more than the next person, but
that does not give me the right to ban it.
"But I wonder how many of those individuals
who have made that claim have actually read the oaths of office
took. The oath of office that I took also includes the stipulation
that I will support the laws and constitution of the state of
Washington. And like it or not, the results of Initiative 502 is
Washington State law. And as of right now, as of this very moment, the
federal government hasn't taken any action whatsoever to indicate its
intent on pre-empting our state's law. And it's been five years!
"Does that mean that every police
officer, every prosecutor, every judge, is in violation of their oath
of office? No. Because the judicial system
hasn't provided them with the tools that they'll need in order to
deviate from our state law.
Don't Think There's Anybody on This Council, Probably Anybody in this
Room, that Would be Against Strictly Medical Marijuana, Including
Councilmember Jim Schrimpsher:
"First off, I want to thank the crowd for great public input
tonight. I think this is one of our
more well-attended, well-spoken at, council meetings. So, I've always
stated, from the time we
started putting moratoriums on, that it should be the choice of the
people of the town. And I agree, the same thing I told councilmember
Dunn. I put my personal beliefs about marijuana aside, and I look at
what's best for this
town, the fiscal impacts, public safety impacts, and weigh them
against the philosophical debate around marijuana. I don't think
there's anybody on this council, probably anybody in this room, that
would be against strictly medical marijuana, including myself.
"And then at such time a more permanent
decision can be made. It seems that's the way the state
legislature is steering
everyone, so let's be the forerunner. I hope everybody got a little
bit of all points of view tonight. And again, I appreciate everybody's
"The notice for tonight's hearing is not a
quasi-judicial hearing. It doesn't apply to just one property, one
area. It applies to the entire code, the entire town. And my concern
is that, its not that we haven't duly noticed it. Obviously you tried;
you've done your best, got it in the Tribune and so forth. But we're
not following our process that is stated in our code, for amending the
code to ban an allowed use. In Section 5.a., I believe it is,
Regular Meeting Resumes
Resolution 2018-A authorized the sale
of surplus town property, including four police vehicles that are
each ten years old or older, the skid steer, and a hot box asphalt
trailer. The resolution passed unanimously.
Thomas thanked the audience and said it was a refreshing change to see this many people actively engaged in local government.
thanked all for participating, and thanked his fellow council members
for their time spent on the issue
Schrimpsher said Town Administrator Gribi
and he will be attending the Association of Washington Cities'
[AWC] 'City Days'
lobbying event at the legislature in Olympia over the next couple of
days. He encouraged everyone to be as diligent in learning about bills
making their way through the state legislature, as they have been
about the issue of marijuana businesses Eatonville, and he appreciated
everyone's input and comments.
Marijuana Shop Letter from Amy Rounds...
I feel the need to share my 2 cents on the marijuana issue.
Just because one person doesn’t use pot, doesn’t give that person the right to stand in the way of people that do use or want to. I think keep the 1000’ buffer and let someone that wants to try to open take it up with the state. If they can even get a license. If federal overturns legality, that’s on the business owner. It’s their problem.
Use this same scenario with another item. A gun shop. Not everyone would use that, should a person that wants a gun shop be denied based on people’s view against guns. A gourmet cupcake shop. It could be attributed to childhood obesity. Kids will be stealing money to get sugar. And not to mention possible diabetes!
Gay marriage, just because you don’t want to marry same sex, you shouldn’t block others from doing it. Live and let live. A lot of people are borrowing worries and playing a what if game.
Plus a vote for it doesn’t mean a shop would open tomorrow. As a council, you shouldn’t stand in the way of a business. Maybe work on strict guidelines for it. Location and signage.
If there isn’t enough
people that use this type business, then it wouldn’t be able sustain
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
Bible: King James Version
Sanjay Gupta Neurosurgeon.
“I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast” –
~ Ronald Reagan
F. Buckley Jr.
King James Version
~ Stephen King
~ Carl Sagan
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